EmelaJosa | 11 points | Mar 10 2021 05:34:59

Just took Ivermectin for first time due to COVID 19 scare

Last night, my boyfriend [24 M] told me [26 F] he tested positive (rapid nose swab test) for COVID 19 and he saw me two nights ago (we live separately with our parents). Yesterday morning, I had a rapid nose swab test on my first day of work and I tested negative. What do you suggest I do? Is quarantining 10 days or 14 days CDC protocols? My parents told me to take Vitamin D, melatonin, and Ivermectin. My immediate family - my dad, my mom, and my sister and I - all took Ivermectin as soon as we found out my boyfriend tested positive. I was looking forward to working at my new workplace (healthcare facility with the geriatric population) as an dietary aide at 10:30am today. I emailed HR and my boss what to do. Hopefully they will respond back. It just sucks that I may not be able to work on my 2nd day of work.

P.S. My dad sent me these links regarding Ivermectin:

"FLCCC Alliance Applauds International Group of Medical Experts’ Recognition of Ivermectin as a Safe and Effective Treatment for COVID-19

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/FLCCC-Release-on-BIRD-meeting-2021-03-09.pdf

please read it carefully. In particular the protocol that involves Ivermectin.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/ "

What do you think of Ivermectin?

I forgot to mentioned to I received my Moderna 1st dose COVID 19 vaccine two days ago.

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[-] stereomatch | 9 points | Mar 10 2021 07:25:32

Disclaimer: you should consult with your doctor or better one of the doctors recommended by the FLCCC for earlier treatment (doctors who are familiar with ivermectin and use of steroids at day 8 from first symptoms and so on). Ignore the suggestions mentioned below :-)

This post has references to lists of doctors and pharmacies:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ivermectin/comments/lk54ix/_/gnibauf

 

PCR testing

First please note that while a PCR positive test does indicate exposure or infection, it can remain positive even after a patient has recovered because of viral debris. Live virus typically dies out within 8 days from first symptoms. Yet PCR tests can remain positive for a month.

The dangerous part of the disease is the post-day-8 period where the immune response gets overactive due to the high viral debris in the system.

A PCR negative test however means nothing, as it can be negative for a positive person as well. I know of cases where a household had identical symptoms but half tested positive and half tested negative - when they all had covid19 probably. A negative PCR test can lull people into letting their guard down. I know of cases who got a negative PCR test and continued to think and their doctor continued to tell them they had "pneumonia" - and they wound up in ICU for covid19. Nowadays PCR test results include this warning that a negative result does not preclude disease.

 

Vaccines

You mentioned you already have gotten the Moderna vaccine.

This possibility has been addressed by many vaccine experts, as well as the FLCCC folks you mentioned.

Basically the vaccine immunity does not kick in fully for a few weeks - FLCCC recommends you stay on the Ivermectin during that interim period. They mention their own cases - those of them who were eligible for the vaccine - they continue with the ivermectin prophylaxis dose (12mg every 2 weeks) until they think vaccine immunity has kicked in.

Usually vaccinated people don't wind up in the hospital from covid19.

The only vaccinated people who end up at hospital are these types of cases who got infected between the 2 doses of the vaccine, or got infected before the vaccine immunity kicked in fully.

So there is a window where you are still not fully protected.

After a few weeks you will be fully protected - though vaccinated people can get sick later from covid19, it is much less common, and the possibility of serious disease is much less.

 

Treatment

Here is the I-MASK+ protocol by the FLCCC:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/i-mask-prophylaxis-treatment-protocol/i-mask-protocol-translations/

 

They recommend for post-exposure prophylaxis (your case):

Post COVID-19 exposure prophylaxis - 0.2 mg/kg* per dose - one dose today, 2nd dose in 48 hours Vitamin D3 1,000–3,000 IU/day Vitamin C 500–1,000mg twice a day Quercetin 250mg/day Zinc 30–40mg/day Melatonin 6mg before bedtime (causes drowsiness)

You mentioned you are already on ivermectin, vitamin d and melatonin.

Ensure you are taking high dose vitamin d - since it takes many months to increase blood levels - so many doctors give vitamin d 200,000 IU weekly as well during disease. Probably still won't have much effect that soon, but still.

You should add zinc or a supplement that includes the zinc mentioned above. If you can add quercetin if you can get a hold of that - if not that's ok. Zinc helps against viral infections in general, and quercetin is a zinc ionophore and aids in that. Quercetin is found in onions etc. so is a natural supplement.

You can get by without melatonin if you don't have that or find it unpleasant. Although the FLCCC folks recommend it because it is a powerful antioxidant.

Add the vitamin c 500mg etc as well.

 

If symptoms start

If symptoms start Famotidine really helps reduce symptoms and can be taken for 5 to 10 days as needed.

During disease day1 of symptoms to day 8 of symptoms you cannot take steroids, so one can take anti-oxidants during this period. N-acetyl cysteine (NAC) supplements 600mg-1200mg as MATH+ protocol also mentions. This is esp useful during disease as it helps restore glutathione levels which can get depleted during oxidative stress.

Starting with day 8 from first symptoms, the MATH+ protocol recommends steroids - this quells the hyperinflammatory storm that happens starting day 8. Ideally one can get a moderate dose prednisolone 20mg starting day7-8 from first symptoms - to prevent hyperinflammatory stage and also to prevent long hauler syndrome from developing later (anecdotally reported from Dr Been and others).

But hopefully none in your house will show symptoms now that you have started protocol early.

However once symptoms start you better have an oximeter at home to monitor oxygen levels - this is needed later as day 7-8 approaches for each patient. A declining oximeter reading ie below 96 when after deep breathing, or elevated pulse rate in 90s or 100+ when at rest is indication that steroids should be started immediately (consult your doctor from the list of doctors provided by FLCCC to get steroids in a timely manner).

If the I-MASK+/MATH+ protocol is followed and early treatment is done, the patient gets multiple opportunities to recover. Post exposure prophylaxis, early treatment on symptoms starting, steroids at day 7-8 when oximeter levels decline or when pulse rate shoots up. Done this way without wasting days in between, patients recover without issues.

For this reason, is early treatment is done well before the landmark periods, there is near 100 percent recovery. And very low incidence of long hauler syndrome (otherwise nearly 25 percent of mild to moderate cases who get no treatment except paracetamol will get long hauler syndrome).

 

Early prophylaxis

Everyone in your house should take ivermectin in case they were exposed. In all likelihood they will not get symptoms if they do it early.

Since it seems you have not developed symptoms yet, and have started Ivermectin, it is possible you will not get symptoms, or if you do they will be mild.

Once anyone starts getting symptoms, you should start immediately on the treatment suggestions. If you need a doctor's advice or prescriptions you can check the 2nd pinned post which has links to doctors and pharmacies.

You should also get your boyfriend on the MATH+/I-MASK+ program if possible - as it will make things easier for them too. Note they will be at a more advanced stage so they need to act fast as well.

 

If symptoms start

Symptoms typically start 5 days or so after exposure.

This means you can track who got it from whom typically, as the cases in a household will be staggered. A person is typically infective from over day before first symptoms, and then for 8 days or so after first symptoms.

Live virus seldom survives after day from first symptoms, but you should quarantine yourself from your family for a few more days after that - as you suggested 10-14 days after first symptoms.

Live virus has been know to survive beyond day 8 from first symptoms, but that has only been in cases who were immuno-compromised ie were taking drugs to reduce immune system.

 

Timing and infectivity

So if you were exposed 5 days ago, you may start showing symptoms today, but you will have been infective from yesterday onwards.

If you quarantined before yesterday then there is the possibility that you may not have exposed your household.

But you should still follow protocol to protect from the worst case scenario.

 

Windows of infectivity

Your boyfriend tested PCR positive - but that does not indicate if he had live virus - he could have been infected 2 weeks ago and recovered, but still tested positive due to viral debris.

So the possibility remains that he may not have infected you.

Or that he had the disease earlier.

However he should follow same protocol as you. And if he develops symptoms (which he should have shown by now) then the protocol for that should need followed.

 

Early treatment prognosis

In all likelihood none of the people in your household will develop symptoms, since you have taken ivermectin early well before start of symptoms. This means ivermectin entered your system before the viral peak (which is when first symptoms appear).

Given your boyfriend has tested positive but has shown no symptoms (since you did not mention symptoms) he is probably not going to show symptoms. But if he takes Ivermectin it may protect against long hauler syndrome or complications.

The greater concern will be for his household, and they should adopt the same protocol - if nothing else their elderly folks should immediately take a high dose vitamin d, and take a short course of ivermectin and zinc.

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[-] Ok-Film-9049 | 5 points | Mar 10 2021 12:03:27

If you have been infected the vaccine won't really help unless it was at least 9 or 10 days minimum before exposure. Ivermectin is a great idea, and the studies suggest that this will prevent you getting severe covid if you have caught it. I would be surprised if they let you back into work until you have another test after a few days. You are lucky to have parents who have done some homework and prepared beforehand

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[-] Haitchpeasauce | 3 points | Mar 10 2021 06:40:07

Hope your boyfriend makes a swift recovery. We aren't doctors and can only share our opinions. See if he can get a prescription for Ivermectin as soon as possible.

I do not know what the CDC protocols are for a close contact with a confirmed COVID-19 case. Here in Australia close contacts are required to self isolate for 14 days, and a negative RT-PCR nasal swab test prior to the end of the isolation period is recommended.

The other supplements you listed are good ones. Consider recommending these to your boyfriend, as well as aspirin and antihistamine. Other supplements to consider are zinc and Quercetin.

It goes without saying that if his O2 sats drop he should go to a hospital immediately.

What do I think of Ivermectin? I think the clinical data points to efficacy as a protective agent, and if already sick then the best outcomes are when given early. The in vitro, molecular modelling and animal studies all point to mechanisms of action that support these results.

Glad you received your first dose of Moderna vaccine, it will take another 1-2 weeks for your adaptive immune system to be trained and antibodies to be produced. The booster shot ensures antibodies become present in sufficient number. Ivermectin prophylaxis is a way to cover yourself until such a time.

As young and presumably healthy people your outlook is good for having mild or no symptoms. If Ivermectin is taken in the early stages, studies point to faster viral clearance (due to lower viral load) and faster resolution of disease. Anecdotally it is reported there is less chance of developing long hauler symptoms.

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[-] Myfirstfakeusername | 2 points | Mar 10 2021 15:43:44

You want to test yourself after a week of the close contact.

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[-] ChrisRam9326 | 1 points | Mar 10 2021 08:41:33

I tested + on 11/20, I started having allergy symptoms on 11/18. My wife slept in the same bed, and kissed me every morning before going to work up until my + test result and she didn't catch it. She did end up testing + later on until 12/6 but that's because we followed the 10 day cdc recommendation, and she came back into the same room were I was isolated and cleaned everything while I was out going for a walk after isolation, so pretty much I think she caught it from somewhere in our room while she was cleaning. So there's still hope you might have not caught it.

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