Nei-Yeh | 21 points
Do we know what the actual genesis for using Ivermectin to treat or prevent Covid-19 was? Where and how did it start?It's just interesting to me to know how something like this actually comes about. If I pretend I never heard of it and someone told me an anti-parasite medication prevented Covid, I'd start scratching my head, no pun intended.
I know there are several "champions" for it's use now, but who the heck was the first to really say, yeah that will work on this virus? It just seems like the most unlikely of things that would possibly work, to me at least, and I don't get the impression there's a lot of people with lightbulbs going off saying in hindsight "oh, of course this would work, makes perfect sense".
[-] BernieTheDachshund | 4 points
Ivermectin has long been on their radar for all the promising new things it helps treat. Here's a great article on all the the wonders of this drug. It's pre-covid, but you can see why they considered it. Ivermectin: enigmatic multifaceted ‘wonder’ drug continues to surprise and exceed expectations | The Journal of Antibiotics (nature.com)
[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 2 points
I love this article. SO MUCH GOOD has been accomplished by ivermectin.
[-] BernieTheDachshund | 2 points
Right? It's stunning. We don't know much about it here because we've been lucky to not have the problems they have in other countries. It was so wonderful that they ran that mass eradication program for decades, like from the 80's up until recently. Every year every person, from babies 6 months old on up, would get Ivermectin. There's a parasite from flies that was causing blindness in people starting in their late 20's to early 30's. It was so sad because these flies were by the river where they collected their water. The flies bit them and transmitted these tiny worms into their bloodstream. Those things migrated to their eyes and blinded them. By dosing with Ivermectin they were able to kill those tiny worms and break the cycle of blindness. I mean that alone is spectacular, ending the cause of blindness for a large group of people. But Ivermectin won a Nobel prize a few years ago for its huge beneficial impact to humanity. And they're still finding things that it helps!!! I cannot say enough good things about Ivermectin.
[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 2 points
up until recently.
AFAIK it's still running. It might have been held up because of the pandemic, but I doubt it. Mass Drug Administrations gave ivermectin to 540 million people in 2019.
And they're still finding things that it helps!!!
I totally agree.
When I started taking ivermectin in May, hoping for prophylaxis, I didn't anticipate that it would solve my decades-long problem with chronic itching in my hairy places. Three dermatologists over 25 years failed to help. Ivermectin fixed it. Mites.
I'm old, divorced, living alone, with a history of excessive alcohol use only somewhat below the level where it interfered with my life. I've known for 40 years that I have to be wary about descending into full-blown alcoholism. The first 3 months of the pandemic I was drinking a couple 1.5 liter boxes of wine per week. Looking back, my need for the wine is manifest given that I was trying hard to isolate, limiting my exposure to the grocery store, pharmacy -- and liquor shop. I started taking ivermectin. Coincidentally around the same time I stopped drinking alcohol. But was it a coincidence? I subsequently learned that there are a couple mice trials that found that ivermectin reduced consumption of alcohol. A research team patented the idea of treating alcoholism with ivermectin. So maybe not a coincidence.
[-] BernieTheDachshund | 2 points
I don't think it's a coincidence. Ivermectin is still full of pleasant surprises!
[-] bikes4paul | 2 points
Of course the Monash in vitro study shined the light on Ivermectin's potential. There was a drug repurposing analysis study done prior that looked at chemical interactions between known drugs and SARS-CoV-2 and Ivermectin was one of many drugs on that list. Due to the Monash study there were many doctors in many countries that immediately started small pilot trials and/or started treating with IVM.
TrialSite News conducted a fascinating interview of Dr. Rajter where he details his decision to start treating with Ivermectin based on a discussion with his wife (also a pulmonologist, and co-investigator in the ICON study). It's well worth a watch to gain insight into how a physician makes an informed decision to treat with a drug based on minimal evidence, low risk of harm, and a poor prognosis. Here is a link:
[-] jpdowlin | 5 points | Jan 17 2021 12:24:30
The pieces of news that got me excited in May were:
1) the results from the ICONN study from Rajter in Florida, which was an observational study that showed reduced mortality in the sickest patients in intensive care and improvements for mild/moderate patients
2) the first Doxy/Ivermectin results from Bangladesh by Tarek Alam on i believe 100 patients in mild/moderate.
3) the Surgisphere pre-print showing reduced mortality for Ivermectin - this turned out to be based on bogus data and was withdrawn. Although strangely the results then are similar to what we have seen since then - and I believe the same is true for their bogus HCQ preprint - the results were similar to what we have seen since then.
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[-] energyscholar | 3 points | Jan 17 2021 19:47:26
The Surgisphere fiasco seems to be part of a psyop to discredit use of repurposed generic drugs for COVID-19. Who would do such a thing? Follow the money.
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[-] Nei-Yeh | 2 points | Jan 17 2021 13:17:12
That's awesome you were getting excited way back then, you must be almost over the moon by now as far as how much has come out since then. In May I was adding *coronavirus" to my spell check, and probably didn't add Ivermectin till November.
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[-] jpdowlin | 4 points | Jan 17 2021 15:44:44
I got hold of ivermectin at the time from Singapore, got a big stash which I still prophylactic with. I also have had hydroxychloroquine since February. The info has been out there. I just happened to be looking as I and my kids are in a risk group.
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[-] rraak | 3 points | Jan 17 2021 14:05:30
There was a lot of useful information about supplements and self treatment back in January and February of last year that's currently mostly reflected in the FLCCC protocols, but the most people weren't taking it seriously. NAC, quercetin, zinc, vitamins D and C come to mind. Ivermectin came to my attention for potential treatment and prophylaxis, just as an ordinary person, back in April based on internet discussion.
You have to remember that mods were still deleting comments advocating for the use of masks back then (it "stoked fear and anxiety" - seriously, fuck them), and it would take a VERY long time for most regular people who weren't actively doing open minded research and information gathering to even get past that hurdle. This whole situation has been mishandled from the start... And it's a large part of why so many people now just ignore negative press about the few options that have been shown to be reasonably safe and effective.
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[-] Nei-Yeh | 4 points | Jan 17 2021 15:28:58
Securing some masks for my family was about the only thing I knew to do, exactly a year ago, but I didn't tell them at the time. When I determined this was actually a pandemic I made everyone wear a mask if we were going into a higher risk situation, and the backlash was immediate from them--like literally crying. I remember waiting in an urgent care facility and this kid kept taking my picture and likely posting it to social media as me being a freak. The very next day our town had one of the first outbreaks in the state and people were running around stripping shelve of masks and apparently, toilet paper, lol. The good old days.
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[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 1 points | Jan 18 2021 05:13:49
this turned out to be based on bogus data
I don't think that is known. I believe the data was real, it just couldn't be audited because of confidentiality agreements. Could be wrong.
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