Swineservant | 10 points
Is ivermectin really panning out to be a meaningful treatment for COViD-19?There seems to be pushback everywhere surrounding this medication. Has there been any slam-dunk RCTs anywhere in the wealthy, white, western world I could read and show to arrogant white, wealthy doctors in the US? It seems that such studies are the only acceptable evidence and I'd love to see some. I've looked at the FLCCC already. Thank you in advance for any help.
[-] warriorsfan23 | 5 points
I am afraid that the public opinion is already lost now that the Brazilian president proposed that ivermectin might be a substitute for the vaccine.
The only thing that we can do is to protect ourselves and try to convince friends and relatives which is already super difficult.
[-] machinelearny | 1 points
The reporting on Ivermectin in Brasil is even worse than the rest of the world. The media still keeps saying there is no evidence that it works.
Do we have some kind of laws in Brasil that can be used to hold the media accountable? It is amazing to read them say there is NO evidence that it works.
I'm an estrangeiro, so don't really know much about the laws.
[-] traveler19395 | 3 points
Has there been any slam-dunk RCTs anywhere in the wealthy, white, western world I could read and show to arrogant white, wealthy doctors in the US?
no
And that is insane.
Lives seem to not matter when there's no money in the business.
[-] newtonma2020 | 2 points
In the US, "slam-dunk RCTs" cost many 100's of thousands of dollars and are normally funded and organized by Big Pharma. And BP is not interesting in doing ANYTHING that might help prove that IVM works. It would only reduce their profits.
[-] newtonma2020 | 3 points
If your doctor is pushing back against FLCCC data, showing him more is not likely to help; he will just find another reason to be dissatisfied. But it MAY help if you let your doctor know that as of last week, NIH no longer recommends against ivermectin -- so writing a prescription no longer violates NIH guidelines.
[-] Swineservant | 2 points
The reason for this post was a somewhat heated discussion with a self proclaimed doctor on reddit. Since we both had become invested in the argument I was wondering (hoping) for some RCT out there that I missed to end the argument. The person was coming off as extremely arrogant (which caused me to escalate in the same direction) and was steering the comments in the thread toward a very anti-IVM stance. I appreciate the concern and help. I think IVM is a very helpful medication for COVID-19 though the mainstream medical establishment remains skeptical at best and dismissive/hostile at worst.
I believe I know the troll you are talking about. The one who does gold standard RCTs without any external funding by themselves?
When it comes to good quality evidence about IVM my list goes as follows.
The ICON study - observational study published and peer reviewed. Excellent efficacy results. It's a good quality observational study, the only thing laking is it's not RCT.
Anti-COVID-19 efficacy of ivermectin in the golden hamster - RCT study in the golden hamster showing good efficacy, no antiviral activity and plenty of signs for immunomodulating effect. This one is from Pasteur institute and has some first tier scientists as authors. Downside is that this one is not yet peer reviewed.
Add in all the RCTs done around the world. Of course, none of them are of "western high quality" kind... But what's the chance these are all false?
Finally, add in all the places which have seen good results using IVM. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence IVM works, and very little anecdotal evidence it doesn't.
Based on all the above I find it highly unlikely IVM isn't beneficial. I also find it unlikely IVM's mode of action in hospitalised patients is antiviral, but that's a different story...
In the end the problem is that if somebody defines truth as western good quality RCT, then it really doesn't matter how much of other evidence you can provide. And for the original question, there's no such published RCT. If there was one, then IVM would be already in widespread use.
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My dr and others in my area are prescribing it (US). Its doubtful we will see western trials as you are thinking. Possibly we will see some backed by non profit or government funded but not by the drug companies.
The big pharma companies have no incentive to back trials on a cheap generic drugs- there is no benefit to them.
Say a big drug company spent millions backing the trials through the stages.... its a generic (been around so long any other drug company can make and sell it). The company funding the trial has no way to make back all their sunk costs of getting it approved.
With new drugs coming to market the drug comanies maintain exclusive rights to make/ sell until the patent expires. So if they make a great new drug, the profit is huge.
[-] TheQueensCheckmate | 1 points
IDK how cheap this is. I just paid $150 for it
Ouch. Mine was $38 last week.
[-] TheQueensCheckmate | 1 points
Yeah 3 other pharmacies wouldn’t fill the prescription so I had to go online
[-] qalbsakeena123 | 1 points
How can I get this in the USA? I am fairly certain my Dr. will think Im nuts.
[-] [deleted] | 1 points
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https://www.exstnc.com/
[-] qalbsakeena123 | 2 points
You are amazing ty!
Good luck, friend! If you have any trouble, feel free to msg me.
Also tons of info on #gettingivermectin sub. That's where I found info.
[-] qalbsakeena123 | 2 points
Yeah defintely I really appreciate it. I have family in South America and they were telling me about this I was like yeah right sounds like bs but in fact this medicine is saving lives wtf! Thanks again. Take care and be safe!
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[-] rraak | 9 points | Jan 17 2021 14:41:47
Unfortunately, if you still get resistance after your physician has taken the time to thoroughly review the information provided by the FLCCC, you can be certain that your physician is an asshole. The more likely scenario is that your physician simply dismisses it out of hand and doesn't review because it was brought to their attention by a filthy peasant. Or they're too lazy and set in their ways to consider anything that doesn't fit easily into what they are expecting to see.
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