Nei-Yeh | 22 points
Is the man in this video the same Dr. Kori who's testimony in front of Congress pleading for Ivermectin to be looked was so widely spread last month? He's literally breaking every single covid safety protocol every doctor in the US is screaming we should useDoes anyone else here feel like we’re talking to rockstars backstage right now!?? 🤣 So stoked to see Chris and Pierre chiming in here... true heros in every sense of the word. Love that you guys are walking the walk and talking the talk! AND, that you’re just normal dudes like all of us here, who care deeply about people. And I’m sure I speak for all of us when I say, thank you guys, from the bottom of my heart. 🙏
[-] Affectionate_Market8 | 4 points
is the sperm count issue a problem related to ivermectin influencing sex hormones such as testosterone estrogen, or dihydrotestosterone?
My understanding is he's a medical doctor deeply concerned with people being ill from covid, but he's meeting a complete stranger for the first time and hugging, handshaking, not wearing a mask, loudly talking inches apart and dining in public, as seen at around 1:45 and 5:45 of the video. Seriously, does it appear to be the same man who was in the Senate hearing talking about covid? I don't know if this was filmed in the U.S. or not, but where on earth is this safe behavior no matter who it is, let alone if he's a doctor, and specifically that same doctor. I honestly have questions now.
[-] CMartenson | 32 points
Howdy. This is Dr. Chris Martenson here. This is a verified account I used for an AMA a few years back.
I totally get your concern and I would have shared it just a month ago. Now I don't.
Before we met in Houston everyone was at least one week on an Ivermectin prophylaxis protocol. These are doctors who see Covid up close and personal. They absolutely don't want it. And they, like me, believe fully in the science behind ivermectin.
Truly, if everyone were on it it, we'd be back to work, no longer living in lockdowns and fear, and - most importantly - a enormous number of lives would be saved and (equally importantly) millions would be spared serious down stream sequelae.
I know it looks odd to see people living once again as we did, but that's what's possible here. We're all walking the talk. Ivermectin has given me my life and lifestyle back.
Cheers.
[-] Affectionate_Market8 | 5 points
the sperm count issue? Is thos due to any effect on androgens from ivermectin? Such as testosterone, estrogen, or dihydrotestosterone?
Hey Chris, Pierre Kory here :). I would like to add to the explanation. What the poster fails to recognize is that not only were we all perfectly prophylaxed with ivermectin (and knew so before we met up)... but just as importantly is that we were outdoors. Outdoors. Masks are critical.. indoors. Not outdoors. For a review of SARS-COV-2 transmission risks and when masks are critical, I offer the following review essay I wrote last week, hope all enjoy:
[-] Youarethebigbang | 3 points
Just to clarify, if you take Ivermectin, unlike the current covid vaccine, you can no longer spread the virus to others or catch the virus and thus the no mask in public we see here?
We were told the vaccine likely reduces the likelihood, but doesn't prevent the receipient from spreading it, and about 5 percent will still get the virus and have symptoms--therefore need to continue social distancing and masking. Overall some 40 percent or more of all people spreading the virus have no symptoms, which is fine for them, but not for others. Ivermectin prevents you from spreading covid?
Just so we can also be on the same note regarding Ivermectin prophylaxis, what was the protocol that you used?
I’d also like to be protected, but by using such a doctor’s advice and not just personally measuring the doses and such when I have no experience or enough knowledge.
[-] Hovercraft_Time | 3 points
See the prophylaxes section of the IMASK protocol from the FLCCC (of which Dr Kory, Dr Marik and Dr Varon are key members):
PROPHYLAXIS PROTOCOL
lvermectin Prophylaxis for high risk individuals 0.2 mg/kg per dose* — one dose today, 2nd dose in 48 hours, then one dose every 2 weeks**
Post COVID-19 exposure prophylaxis*** 0.2 mg/kg per dose*— one dose today, 2nd dose in 48 hours
Vitamin D3 1,000–3,000 IU/day
Vitamin C 1,000 mg twice a day
Quercetin 250mg/day Zinc 50mg/day
Melatonin 6 mg before bedtime (causes drowsiness)
[-] CMartenson | 2 points
0.2 mg/kg, once weekly if in high contact situations.
Bi-weekly if in low contact situations. That's straight from the FLCCC MDs.
[-] Ok-Film-9049 | 1 points
Hi Chris Have watched your channel for many months and I would have loved to have met Prof Marik and Kory. Just amazed by the bit about no evidence for Vitimin C and sepsis, apart from... Have lots of IVM but went on a vaccine trial and luckily got the vaccine. Letting others know about it
[-] CMartenson | 12 points
I do believe that IV vitamin C is a next big project for me. I really hadn't dug into it until they told me their evidence and I have to say I am astonished by the findings. The reasoning, the biochemistry, the results...it's a comprehensive story. Bottom line: If you are crashing for any of a very wide set of reasons, your body will consume all of its vitamin C and you're going to need more.
[-] Ok-Film-9049 | 2 points
Yes, have stockpiled Vit C, NAC, Thiamine, Vitamin D etc for family. Really valued your channel and thank you.
[-] Ok-Film-9049 | 2 points
Oh and also elderberries!
[-] Hovercraft_Time | 2 points
This sounds great Chris and thank you for making so much complex science understandable for me over the last year.
I knew nothing about nutrition or Vitamin C or anything else when the pandemic struck. I quickly found Dr Marik and Andrew Saul from the OMNS and got on their vitamin recommendations from their newsletter such as this one.
It would be great if you interviewed Andrew Saul for your channel. He's another one who has been constantly thrown in FB jail for saying that coronavirus could be stopped in it's tracks with sufficiently widespread adoption of high dose Vitamin C.
[-] Swineservant | 8 points
Ever consider he may be taking ivermectin prophylactically and is so confident in its efficacy that he's not worried? Maybe he's already had COVID or has antibodies. I dunno, I trust his judgement. There could be many explanations.
[-] Youarethebigbang | 4 points
Wait. Ivermectin makes you non-contagious?You can't spread covid to a stranger if you're on Ivermectin or if you had covid?
[-] DreadPyriteRoberts | 9 points
Ivermectin makes you non-contagious?
Theoretically ivermectin prevents you catching the virus -- in which case you cannot spread it. IMO it's foolish to depend on that, though. The safest behavior is taking ivermectin and then acting as though you haven't. It's NOT 100% effective.
[-] devilslittlehelper | 5 points
Exactly that
It can be that the interviewers are on ivermectin as well. I'm sure they talked about the details before (where/how to meet etc.).
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[-] giddyrobin | 0 points
About 2 weeks after I got my Ivermectin in hand, I admit I had a strange dream that I went into a Home Depot without my mask. About a week later I almost walked into a store without one.
Just saying. There is freedom (physical & psychological) that comes with this data. And that's precisely why it's being suppressed.
PS The FLCCC, the EVMS team are heroes and someone needs to do a documentary on them. It would make a great Frontline. You could star Dr. Marik, Dr. Kory. Dr Varon. Dr. Been and even (shhh) Dr. Zelenko. These were all pioneers in the story of repurposing existing drugs which studies, safety records and data already exists on.
[-] iamZacharias | 3 points
Is the sperm count issue temporarily? How does this react to IBD/IBS patients?
[-] lemallette | 3 points
Thanks for reviewing the vitamin C paper. Their vitamin C dose was indeed moderately high - equaling 14,000 mg a day for a 70 kg person. This can be done orally at home!
When I had the onset of Covid-19 symptoms after attending a huge indoor festival in March 2020, I took vitamin C 7000 mg orally every 8 hours for three days, then decreased to 5000 mg every 8 hours (loose bowels) and tapered after 10 days back down to my baseline 1000 mg daily.
I also took vitamin D 5000 IU daily, zinc gummies with elderberry (7-10 mg zinc) 8 to 10 a day, and hydroxycholoquin 200 mg twice a day for 5 days. I also wore a mask around the house all day long until my cough was gone.
I felt a little tired for 5 days, had a bad sore throat, a mild cough for 3 or 4 days, and a low grade temp elevation to 99.8°F for about 8 hours on day 3. I recovered completely over about 10 days, and even hit the jogging trail again after two weeks.
I'm 78 yo with hypertension and pre-diabetes.
My wife declined all this and simply continued her usual vitamin program (1000 u vitamin D, 1000 mg C, one Centrum Silver daily). She was the sickest she had ever been, with a hacking cough for nearly 3 months, severe malaise, and a low grade fever for 2-3 days. At the end of her recovery period she developed severe Quadratus lumborum (back) spasms that required several days of deep massage to improve.
She is 61 yo and in good health otherwise.
With an N of 2 one can draw no firm conclusion. I will say, however, that the evidence suggests that her baseline adequate vitamin D status may have saved her life, and it is possible that my VERY SAFE regimen saved mine as well, and indeed minimized my illness.
[-] converter-bot | 1 points
70.0 kg is 154.19 lbs
[-] C_martenson | 1 points
Thanks for the anecdote. It fits well with what we know. Again, n of 2, but as far as I am concerned, they all add up to a very positive signal. Good job on the dosing regimen.
[-] Youarethebigbang | 2 points
What the hell is actually going on here? He's laughing and high-fiving about the fact that only 10% of doctors take his research seriously enough to use it, like it's funny. What is this?
[-] Reddie_Mercury | 6 points
Well, he's laughing about the fact that they both guessed the same percentage ... why not
[-] Youarethebigbang | 4 points
You're right that's hilarious, such a funny topic in January 2021. For real though something seems off with this guy and this whole video I'm not gonna even pretend to understand.
Yeah i can definitely see why they laughed at that, in a 'if you don't laugh you cry' kind of way. The situation is absurd. They've both no doubt seen more than enough denial and bad science etc over the last 10 months. This just confirms their experience. Watch what he points out with the vitamin c study for an example of how absurd things are.
Reading reddit sub, getting Twitter notifications. Love the Mexican graph. Did get COVID in March. Almost recovered... not quite but almost - no desire to repeat this, taking IVM prophylaxis and keeping our 🤞🏼thanks to you all for taking the tough road. You are a beacon of hope in a very dark and twisty sinkhole.
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[-] dogrescuersometimes | 1 points
yes
the alliance website is
flccc.net
[-] PierreKory | 23 points | Jan 09 2021 03:48:15
Hey Chris, Pierre Kory here :). I would like to add to the explanation. What the poster fails to recognize is that not only were we all perfectly prophylaxed with ivermectin (and knew so before we met up)... but just as importantly is that we were outdoors. Outdoors. Masks are critical.. indoors. Not outdoors. For a review of SARS-COV-2 transmission risks and when (and which) masks are critical, I offer the following review I wrote last week, hope all enjoy:
https://covid19criticalcare.com/i-mask-prophylaxis-treatment-protocol/masks-clearing-up-the-confusion/
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[-] SwiftJustice88 | 3 points | Jan 09 2021 04:07:01
You are are a real hero Dr. Kory! I have been using Ivermectin as a prophylactic and had an interesting experience this past week. Everyone in my family somehow managed to catch a bad head cold (not COVID thankfully) but I didn’t. No one else has been taking Ivermectin but me so I can only assume that’s why since I was around them for days. Thanks again for all your great work and for giving me an option to stay healthy when vaccines won’t be on the table for months based on my age/health.
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[-] C_martenson | 3 points | Jan 10 2021 00:54:41
Thank you for weighing in Pierre. I should have mentioned the outdoor angle as well of course. The data is quite solid at this point - indoors and proximity and time of contact are all key factors, as is the viral load of the person(s) who are infected.
I'm pretty clear on this - the data says that the viral load of people on IVM is vastly reduced as compared to control patients. I'm extrapolating a bit, but considering that the prophylaxis data is so consistently strong, my belief is that the viral load never really gets going at all in prophylaxed people. So combine very low to non-existent viral loads AND being outdoors and my concern about getting sick from Covid drifts back to 2019 levels.
As always, if data comes along to disprove that, I'll change my position. Until then, that's my considered opinion.
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[-] Nei-Yeh | 2 points | Jan 09 2021 06:01:06
Thanks for the explanation, appreciated.
With all due respect and appreciation for your research and work, Dr Fauchi strongly pointed out that outdoor contact, such as that at one of the most infamous covid events of 2020, can spread the virus: https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-says-wh-rose-garden-scotus-event-was-covid-19-super-spreader-1537940
Even putting aside Fauchi's reputation, do you think all these could be dismissed as a coincidence?
And just for a bit of context on my end, I'm in an area basically under lockdown and during every interaction with physicians I've had here, including two outdoors recently, their protocol was for both parties to wear masks, in addition to face shields on their end, so that's my normal and I haven't seen a doctor's face in 10 months, haha. We don't have outdoor dining anymore, but when we did we were still required to mask except specifically when eating or drinking, so I guess I'm just not used to seeing it.
I haven't been able to have lunch with or hug my mom since March, but if Ivermectin is the miracle drug it seems to be, I'm literally ready to mix up the horse paste I've been hesitant to use in order to have a life again, since I see no indication it's going to be approved here in the States anytime before vaccines are available to the general population.
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[-] Kirbinator13 | 2 points | Jan 10 2021 01:30:51
I survived horse paste, that being said, I’m on no medications. Do your research about any interactions. I’ll be doing this until the pandemic is over and skipping the vaccine.
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[-] Nei-Yeh | 0 points | Jan 10 2021 02:25:47
Good to hear. It never crossed my mind that people who understand the science behind something like Ivermectin would be anti-vax, but I have a feeling now that's a thing. Curious why you wouldn't want to vaccinate against covid-19.
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[-] Kirbinator13 | 1 points | Jan 10 2021 02:27:56
Well I wouldn’t classify myself as an anti-vaccine person, but I feel it’s not necessary with ivermectin. Also, they are dishing out something that hasn’t gone through years of testing, just months of testing. I don’t want to be first, that’s for sure.
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[-] Nei-Yeh | 0 points | Jan 10 2021 04:36:50
Fair enough. Personally I'm not waiting to get sick before I start taking Ivermectin, and I'm definitely not going to continually eat horse paste to prevent it for the next year or two (in the U.S.). I'm kinda the opposite with vaccines in that I normally don't feel confident with many of them, especially flu vaccines, but I'm absolutely blown away and eager to get the Pfizer or Moderna--simply incredible science, technology, research, and backstories behind the developments of them.
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[-] Kirbinator13 | 1 points | Jan 10 2021 05:01:22
The horse paste is once every-other week, so only 26 times a year
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[-] Nei-Yeh | -2 points | Jan 10 2021 15:41:26
The half-life of IVM is 18 hours. I don't know what kind of viral load your normally exposed to, but for me every two weeks isn't gonna cut it and definitely not gonna be a substitute for a 95% effective vaccine that might last two years after two jabs (assuming they don't run out of doses, lol).
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[-] MrElvey | 2 points | Jan 10 2021 23:27:39
Definitely? You're ignorant, technically speaking. And overconfident in your own intuition. There are solid mechanism explanations out there as to why this dosing is working. And there's the ton of data showing that it's working. Go spoon-feed yourself?
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[-] Nei-Yeh | 0 points | Jan 11 2021 03:14:04
Definitely? You're ignorant, technically speaking.
Don't know if you read the entire thread or not, or maybe I wasn't clear with my response, but I'm speaking about my own self, my situation, my exposure, my risk--as in everyone's exposure is different but personally I'm definitely not going to buy and use paste for my situation for the next two years if I can get proper doses of vaccine. Everyone's exposure is different, and dosing amounts have been discussed in the sub a lot as guidance keeps changing, so I think everyone can decide for themselves what's appropriate for them.
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[-] ecraft23 | 1 points | Jan 12 2021 16:17:52
I just find it hilarious that all you guys think the only option is eating horse paste! 🤣
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[-] Nei-Yeh | 1 points | Jan 12 2021 22:55:12
As opposed to what?
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[-] ecraft23 | 1 points | Jan 12 2021 23:37:54
https://www.reddit.com/r/ivermectin/comments/klcqq7/for_those_who_want_to_apply_to_get_mectizan/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
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[-] Kirbinator13 | 2 points | Jan 11 2021 13:16:28
From the FAQ on FLCCC:
“Will ivermectin interfere with the vaccine and can I continue to take ivermectin once vaccinated?
Our understanding of the importance of ivermectin in the context of the new vaccines, is that ivermectin prophylaxis should be thought of as complementary bridge to vaccination until the vaccines are made available to all those in need. At this time, and after speaking with the vaccine experts, we do not believe that ivermectin prophylaxis interferes with the efficacy/immune response to the vaccine, however it must also be recognized that no definitive data exists to more specifically answer this question. However, given that maximal immunity from the vaccines is only achieved 2 weeks after the second dose of vaccine, it is reasonable to take bi-weekly ivermectin until this time point.”
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[-] gregseaff | 2 points | Jan 10 2021 14:39:43
That famous Rose Garden event was followed by an indoor reception - indoors, in close quarters, lots of 1:1 conversations, with food and drink served. It was basically like a wedding reception. That has to be where the spreading happened.
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[-] PierreKory | 2 points | Jan 30 2021 17:42:05
What I believe the poster is overlooking is that Dr. Fauci said there was as superspreader event "in" theWhite House, not "outside" the White house - all must consider that with the Rose Garden event.. there was a long reception indoors that followed with myriad photographs of groups of people drinking wine in the Oval office and surrounding areas..
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[-] dogrescuersometimes | 2 points | Jan 09 2021 06:10:59
Dr. Kory,
THANK YOU.
So much respect.
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