hornystudentdoctor | 16 points
How did you obtain ivermectin intended for human use? I'm asking on here out of desperation, are there any physicians or NPs willing to help me?I have spent two days trying to get a hold of ivermectin intended for human use. I have had no luck at all. My parents are both very high risk and COVID positive. My mom is on day 6 of symptoms and my dad is mostly asymptomatic right now. I presented all of the literature to their physicians both my moms PCP and my dads PCP said no. They're following CDC and NIH guidelines which don't recommend it and won't budge. I also tried going to my own physician who said no.
Are there any physicians or NPs here willing to prescribe it? Or know where I can go to get it for human use? I personally don't feel comfortable giving my parents the ones made for veterinary use. Please, if anyone can help. We can avoid the insurance for the prescription if that helps. I'm asking here out of desperation after exhausting all other options. I personally feel this would be a harmless thing to try and time is of the essence right now.
[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 5 points
If you're willing to try non-human ivermectin, see this post. You can order the horse paste form of ivermectin from Amazon with 1-day delivery, I bet.
not sure what upsets me more, the attitude of doctors in this country or that somehow high risk people caught covid 8+ months into a pandemic during a holiday when everyone knows the only way not to get sick is to avoid contact with other people
look I hope you find a better doctor to prescribe the human form but it doesn't sound like your parents took this seriously and I don't think you should carry the burden of panicking for them
in any case this is the prescription version if it eventually helps finding it:
https://www.goodrx.com/ivermectin?dosage=3mg&form=tablet&label_override=ivermectin&quantity=20
make sure the doctor doesn't code it for covid
the first time my doctor tried to get me dex and then ivermectin he coded it for covid and the pharmacy locked out the prescription, had to use another pharmacy with different codes
this country is ridiculous about healthcare sometimes
[-] hornystudentdoctor | 4 points
Also they were alone for thanksgiving and haven’t seen their siblings at all or me. It’s been a long time since I hugged my parents I’m an only child and this pandemic has deprived me of the only two people I care about in this world 😭 It’s really unfair there are people that are careless and my parents who have been the most careful have caught it. They have no help for treatment because their doctors have all been so useless. I’m only a medical student and I feel like I’ve had to step in and fill a role that I’m not equipped to handle
[-] bikes4paul | 3 points
There are multiple doctors on this list that will prescribe IVM for outpatient treatment via telemedicine. https://www.exstnc.com/
[-] hornystudentdoctor | 2 points
Wow, this is not a fair assumption at all. My parents have been socially isolated for 9 months. I haven’t seen them for this entire pandemic because I’ve been at school. They don’t even leave the house to grocery shop. Literally the most careful people I know. COVID must’ve been everywhere because of the holidays. I’m not sure where they go it. But this is a very offensive comment. They even put off many in person important doctors appointments because of what’s going on. My guess is my dad got it when at the doctor on Monday because he had to go for angina. Very unfair assumption made :/
[-] hornystudentdoctor | 2 points
I’m going to assume you mean well with your comment. But I’m literally living a nightmare right now and it made me cry. I can’t help but wonder if that’s the attitude of these physicians too. How were you able to find a physician to prescribe it?
look I'm not going to lecture you any more but it wouldn't have been honest of me not to say something because really, you can't "bargain" with covid and go interact with people "just a little" and then get all surprised during the highest surge this country has seen in eight months, to get sick, "surprise"
anyway in the same spirit of "truth telling" don't panic, seriously
they know how to treat this far better now even without ivermectin, steroids alone stop all but the worst cases from becoming fatal
do what you can to make sure they are taking enough vitamin C, and D and Zinc and a zinc ionophore, melatonin also supposedly helps
they are going to have at least a couple of bad weeks, that can't be avoided but it doesn't mean it's going to turn into viral pneumonia or become fatal
if they have trouble breathing you can rent an oxygen machine, mine was only $100 a month but needed a doctor's prescription, if the doctors won't even do that much they are monsters
the doctor that finally prescribed me ivermectin I've known for 30 years, I showed him the studies and I was approaching death after six weeks of covid, he knew it was desperation because this was way early in the year, the dex study from the UK came out a week after that and then I got dex too, between the two drugs they saved my life, I am 100% positive I would have died as even with the oxygen machine on full tilt I was in mid-80s spo2
still not recovered seven months later, which is why I get angry and "mean" about people this late in the story who still get infected for no good reason when the vax is less than two months away, maybe even a month for some people, now your parents won't even be able to take the vax anytime soon
[-] hornystudentdoctor | 2 points
Believe me, I’m as upset as you are. But I’m telling you my dad had no choice but to go to that doctors visit his Angina was very bad and the physician said telehealth wasn’t enough. His angina went from stable to unstable. Thank you for giving advice, I appreciate it. I’m happy you are mostly recovered. If you’re okay sharing what was your age and any comorbidities?
[-] hornystudentdoctor | 2 points
Also, you mentioned they’ve gotten better at treatment now. So far there has been no treatment given and they’re saying to only do something if things get bad. Do you think there’s an advantage of going to a hospital for intervention early? At the time why didn’t you go to an ER to get check out?
I live alone and back in May we were still in the dark ages about all this, there were no treatments at all available, not even steroids, and I knew if I went to the hospital it would be a one-way trip.
Doctor sent fire/rescue here one really bad day when spo2 was collapsing and they broke in but I made them leave, I already had oxygen and there was nothing else they could do. All they would have done is put me on a ventilator and everyone who was getting that done in NY/NYC was dying weeks later.
Then the ivermectin study came out and then the dex study came out and they saved my life because I could get them as my doctor would listen. I am sorry yours will not. This country is crazy, they'd rather just let you die then try a $30 harmless drug. I blame the president and the stupid HCQ nonsense, ivermectin is not HCQ, you literally cannot OD on invermectin and there are no heart problems, I think only one death recorded in millions upon millions of doses and they obviously had other issues.
You showed them the south-florida study? There is also stuff like this
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7261036/figure/Fig2/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/
It's ridiculous if it comes to this but you may just have to Amazon the animal paste version and convince your parents to take it. Wouldn't wait past the second week.
[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 1 points
Put that doc on your Christmas card list!
still not recovered seven months later, which is why I get angry and "mean" about people this late in the story who still get infected for no good reason
I wish there was a way for others to experience the hell you went through, Thaw. Especially the scoffers who think they're somehow special, invulnerable.
now your parents won't even be able to take the vax anytime soon
Are those who have had covid going to be low on the priority list? (Makes sense, I guess.)
You know what's the most crazy is even I've forgotten the pain only half a year later. I mean I vividly remembering days of heaving my chest as hard as I could for hours sometimes to try to get as much air across my lungs even though they weren't seeming to process it, leaning against a chair just wanting to pass out. I've just forgotten how painful and disabling and hopeless it all felt.
It felt like drowning, but I've forgotten the details of the feeling. I think it's a mental survival thing. Because if you had to live with that memory every day you'd go insane.
Now I find myself wondering if that even "natural" old-age death is going to be like that. Because I sure hope they find mercy for that to at least knock you out.
If I could share that sensation, people would lock themselves in their bathrooms for a month until this all passed. But nope, everyone thinks it's going to be different for them. Except I was definitely more fit and healthier than they are in the first place, it's just a genetic lottery (also having the flu in February didn't help).
[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 1 points
If there had been secret cameras in the room, recording your heaving to get oxygen... it would be too uncomfortable to watch. Just reading your post gives me the quavering quivers.
[-] blueheelercd | 3 points
The best resources are within the post I just copied below. Keep calling until you get recommendations for Mds treating prophylacticly, and that treat early symptoms at home. We will run out of hospital beds and health care workers before they ever get the vaccine distributed. Too many people are going to die and/or become long haulers in the meantime. The government is paying for it and delivering it to the states. Where are they going to get the money to set up distribution? Two shots a couple of weeks apart?!? Slim chance pulling that off! Do they know how long the immunity lasts? No! We all need to have the professional resources to prevent it and/or treat it at home safely. There is a ton of info and even a guide out there. Videos on YouTube by very credible doctors and fast forming organizations of doctor doing this. Find the highly esteemed Harvard Md professor’s video. He is an expert in this area and he says we have to have MDs guiding us through treatment at home. We do not have the medical infrastructure to handle this!There are doctors doing this and they take Medicare for telemedicine! They send prescriptions, there are a lot of others you might need plus they list the supplement protocol. They monitor everything. They can even have Oxygen delivered if you need it. It is all about being prepared for rapid treatment. Both protocols are published in JAMA. I found a doctor this way. Treat yourself with paste while you are waiting. It is not a big deal. They have been using it on label for scabies and a whole ton of other parasites for years. All over the world. Active ingredient is the same. Then you will protect your parents. We have to get ahead of the curve, not wait around for the “organizations” to approve. They were too slow before and they are moving too slow now. Good luck! Spread the word, that is what all these doctors are trying to do, and safely.
Post: “Where to find the results of ivermectin trials quickly and easily
For an excellent synthesis of ivermectin research:
For a nicely-summarized list of trials/studies that link to the study reports:
For a review of ivermectin research by the Frontline Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance, a consortium of US MDs (including Drs. Marik and Kory) using ivermectin for prophylaxis and early outpatient treatment, see this paper (PDF):
Use this search to find RCTs in /r/ivermectin.
If you have questions about ivermectin, post them here or (better) as main posts to the sub, where they will have better visibility.”
oh I should mention this even though I don't personally believe it's effective (I am also dubious about excessive Vitamin D claims but since it's harmless to try I always still suggest it)
there is a NAD+ depletion theory that many long-covid and CFS people believe in, I do not because I've always micro-dosed niacin (flushing B3) and still caught covid and long-covid
but maybe early on during infection it can help prevent things from turning into viral pneunomia
other than than the flushing sensation, as long as you work up the dose, don't go over 500mg (half gram) a day and are prepared to lose an hour of your day because of the flushing sensation (good luck explaining that to your parents) this is the theory:
https://nkalex.medium.com/the-team-of-front-line-doctors-and-biohackers-who-seem-to-have-solved-long-covid-5f9852f1101d
remember that's a blog post that anyone can make, they aren't authoritative
This is unexpectedly very informative. Not going into valid or not, but if the people behind it followed protocols within the range of accepted research (not just RCTs) then this frees up the need for a prescription. It's all OTC meds and all vitamins or supplements. This should be looked into formally.
Well it costs $10 or less for a years-long bottle of Niacin
so costs nothing to find out
but I assure you there is far less to this than it appears plausible, just like Vitamin D isn't going to stop the next quarter million deaths and next 10 million infections before everyone has the vax next year
[-] hornystudentdoctor | 2 points
Also does anyone have thoughts on only giving doxycycline? I do have access to doxy.
[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 7 points
I think doxy can't hurt. It isn't ivermectin, though. If it were my parents, I'd order the horse paste from Amazon. My son the doctor is using it.
[-] Haitchpeasauce | 1 points
Doxycycline apparently has antiviral and anti-inflammatory effects stimulating T cells. It will compliment and augment the effects of ivermectin and also help fight any opportunistic bacterial infection. Ivermectin is the more potent drug but I think doxy is very good in combination and leads to better outcomes.
[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 2 points
You could try posting your request to /r/medicine or /r/askmedicine. You might get some negative comments in /r/medicine; some of the denizens there aren't very ivermectin friendly. Some are pro-ivermectin though. Couldn't hurt to ask.
Edit: Check the rules first. Asking in /r/medicine could get you banned.
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[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 1 points
A kind person sent me this information so I could pass it along:
Dr. Fareed freely offered his office number on Twitter. His handle is @georgefareed2.
760-351-4573
760-351-4574
He seems to use hydroxychloroquine and/or Ivermectin.
/u/bikesforpaul posted another option. Reposting so I can put it at the top where you won't miss it.
There are multiple doctors on this list that will prescribe IVM for outpatient treatment via telemedicine.
https://www.exstnc.com/
[-] Tap-Holiday | 1 points
https://www.facebook.com/groups/3595465843801899/permalink/4165712113443933/ check IVM group posts. A lot of people do order paste and take it. Also, someone ordered from India and it took 18 days to arrive. One more https://www.facebook.com/groups/3595465843801899/permalink/3942578792423934/
[-] stereomatch | 1 points
If she is on day 5, she needs to get methylprednisolone soon - ideally on or before day 8 from first symptoms - to completely escape the inflammatory second stage.
If her doctor does that, you dont need ivermectin.
Ivermectin helps, but it won't save a high risk person on day 5 about to enter post-day-8 inflammatory stage - only steroids will do that reliably.
If she doesnt get steroids on day 8 - then you run the risk of classic oximeter levels falling. Except once they fall below 95 she will be given steroids anyway.
So ideally giving early - day 8 or even slightly earlier - avoids the whole issue entirely.
According to MATH+ protocol evidence the live virus is dead by day 8 - and steroid should be started - methylprednisolone 40mg every 12 hours escalatable to 80mg every 12 hours (if the trend for worsening oximeter levels is not arrested by 40mg).
I have seen people being prescribed 20mg/day by doctors even ahead of day 8 - usually for 1 week or 2 weeks - and stopped cold turkey. Though ideally should check CRP, D-Dimer, Ferritin levels returning to normal and taper steroids accordingly.
And 30mg to 45mg for people experiencing oximeter fall to 95 and some lung damage visible on x-ray or CT scan.
Discuss giving her preemptive steroids with your doctor.
You can even consult with Dr Been who makes the covid19 videos.
He is on the list of doctors doing early treatment - mentioned in other comments:
https://www.exstnc.com/
EDIT: I mention methylprednisolone because MATH+ protocol uses it - it's author Dr Paul Marik said in a video with Dr Been that they prefer methylprednisolone because it gets faster to lungs - and it is better tolerated at high doses.
I always find it interesting 2mg of dex is more powerful than 40-80mg of prednisolone
6mg of dex was enough to have me walking around like nothing was ever wrong after weeks of full blown viral pneumonia and otherwise crashing spo2 (until decided to stop it cold-turkey, omg never stop dex cold-turkey, holy hell)
Can be bought on aliexpress in 5mg or 7.5mg pills for farm animals.
Have you actually bought it from there? Is it ivermectin alone or a combo medicine like pet heart guard in US?
[-] Ok-Film-9049 | 1 points
Thanks to all for sharing their experiences. Some of my friends feel I obsessed about Covid and many have come through unscathed. However, reading some stories, I realise it was good to be prepared. Had the vaccine trial, very sore arm on second dose a week ago. My partner is a teacher and also on trial. Just found out 2 of he classes had kids with covid in. One room has no ventilation. I dispair at the ineptitude in the UK. I am relieved to be at the stage where I can now take IVM without risking my antibody response if I got the vaccine. Stay safe Order the horse IVM before you need it. Its cheap
[-] my-tech-reddit-acct | 1 points
speakwithanmd.com set me up for prophylaxis. I ordered several months worth, so I'd have enough to treat if needed. Their pharmacy can send for next day delivery. Call their pharmacy after the doc puts your script through to them. I don't know if they'll just send a script directly, but using theeir pharmacy saves any bullshit with local pharmacists thinking that .gov knows anything.
[-] my-tech-reddit-acct | 1 points
speakwithanmd.com Same folks set me up with HCQ - but from what I reading now, IVM may well be better, possibly much better.
[-] Be_Gracious | 1 points
Hi. If you don’t mind, can you please share how you asked the MD for the IVM? Did you say directly that you wanted it for COVID prophylaxis? I’m concerned with paying the $59.95 consult fee only to have IVM request rejected. I asked on chat feature of speakwithanmd.com about IVM and they said their MDs won’t prescribe prophylactically.
[-] my-tech-reddit-acct | 1 points
Yes, I told the Dr. I wanted ivermectin for covid-19 prophylaxis, and I did the same successfully, on a previous consult, for hydroxychloroquine.
I always follow that up by telling them I'm 65 with diabetes, high blood pressure and obesity. I think that helps. I don't mention that my vitamin D is 66 ng/ml, LOL.
[-] Murky-Lengthiness | 1 points
How do I post pdf,s please?
After I encountered a similar situation and recognized the doctors will withhold every form of treatment until you goto the hospital and get oxygen - I took things into my own hands and procured the necessary drugs via non-conventional channels (ivermectin, doxycycline). Not always intended for 'human' use - but they will work the same regardless. I'm sorry you are in this situation - recommend you quickly procure from non-traditional channels.
[-] BillyBob_TX | 12 points | Dec 01 2020 03:15:44
Tractor supply. Billy Bob's farm store. Just go get the vet paste. Same stuff that they give to million dollar horses every day.
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