TrumpLyftAlles | 1 points
The Brazilian city being turned into a coronavirus "lab experiment" (Itajaí Brazil 2020-08-27)https://www.codastory.com/waronscience/brazil-covid19-ivermectin/
[-] unhurriedman | 2 points
I have been following Itajaí's numbers closely and comparing them with its neighboring city, Florianópolis. Unfortunately, the evolution in the number of deaths is very similar in both cities. I don't think Ivermectin, applied in this way, made any difference. For those who understand Portuguese, instagram "prefeituradeitajai" updates its data daily.
[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 2 points
@jjchamie tweeted today:
September is going to be awesome in Itajai. In the last two days there aren't deaths.
[-] [deleted] | 2 points
For all the results I am seeing in small studies, and for the anecdotal cases, I really believe that ivermectin has some beneficial effect for Covid-19.
However, the case of Itajaí does not prove these effects and this is simple to verify, comparing the city of Itajaí, Florianópolis and São José (where I live).
All three cities had very similar behaviors in increasing and decreasing the number of deaths. Florianópolis has more than twice the number of inhabitants, and has fewer deaths than Itajaí. São José has almost the same number of inhabitants, and has half the number of deaths in Itajaí.
All three are falling in the number of cases and deaths. For more information, this is the situation website in Santa Catarina shorturl.at/klrvP
Edit: broken link
[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 1 points
Apologies, /u/unhurriedman. This post was placed in the moderator queue for approval for some reason, and I am negligent about monitoring the queue. I apologize for causing the delay of your post appearing.
[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 1 points
Hey, /u/unhurriedman, the shorturl took me to a page with three podcasts?! Is that the right URL? None of them seemed related.
[-] unhurriedman | 2 points
For some reason it took to the wrong page. I fixed it up there
[-] unhurriedman | 1 points
There is something new going on here. Florianópolis and São José are experiencing a very contagious second wave. In the rest of the state of Santa Catarina, this new wave does not seem to have arrived yet. One explanation would be the fact that Florianópolis is the capital, perhaps a new strain of the virus has landed here and is spreading. We have to check in the coming weeks.
[-] unhurriedman | 1 points
There is something new going on here. Florianópolis and São José are experiencing a very contagious second wave. In the rest of the state of Santa Catarina, this new wave does not seem to have arrived yet. One explanation would be the fact that Florianópolis is the capital, perhaps a new strain of the virus has landed here and is spreading. We have to check in the coming weeks.
[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 1 points
There is something new going on here. Florianópolis and São José are experiencing a very contagious second wave. In the rest of the state of Santa Catarina, this new wave does not seem to have arrived yet. One explanation would be the fact that Florianópolis is the capital, perhaps a new strain of the virus has landed here and is spreading. We have to check in the coming weeks.
I'm afraid that's happening in many locales around the world. I don't think it's a different strain, just people being less careful about staying safe. That's the US story, anyway.
(Let me know if you want me to delete this.)
[-] unhurriedman | 2 points
I am very convinced that this is a new strain, more contagious and with different seasonality. If you look you will see that Santa Catarina as a whole had its cases in full decline. People's behavior hasn't changed much between July and October. Florianópolis here was the only city where I noticed that people took care of themselves and wore a mask. Nothing exemplary, but the situation was better than in other cities. São José, Palhoça, Biguaçu and Itajaí have always given terrible examples. On September 7, there were news of parties in Itajaí with more than 500 people gathered. Even so, the cases were and continue to fall. Notice now, all cities remain in decline, with the exception of Florianópolis and its neighboring cities. And that happened suddenly, starting on September 25th. Florianópolis is the capital and has the largest international airport in the state. I think there is a new strain in Europe, and it landed here.
[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 1 points
The new strain that came from Europe arrived in the US in April (IIRC). It seems to be more infectious than the original. That doesn't seem like an adequate explanation though; it wouldn't accelerate the infection rate as much as you're seeing.
You're not seeing re-infections, right?
[-] unhurriedman | 1 points
No, I'm talking about this mutation here:
There are signs of reinfection, but they are said to be very rare and most often less severe. The increase in cases is due to new infections.
[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 3 points | Sep 03 2020 09:14:45
This is a very negative article, characterizing Itajaí's ivermectin as a poor decision without any scientific backing. It makes the usual CONCENTRATION TOO HIGH!!! argument.
Excerpts:
The coastal city of Itajaí in southern Brazil is known for its port and sandy beaches, but recent questionable attempts to hold Covid-19 at bay have brought an additional notoriety. In early July, Mayor Volnei Morastoni — who also happens to be a doctor — took to social media to announce a massive giveaway of the antiparasitic drug ivermectin. The aim of the program was to protect residents against a disease rampaging across the country.
The only problem is that this widely used antiparasitic drug is unproven as a treatment or a protection against the coronavirus.
Proclaiming ivermectin “another weapon in our war against the coronavirus,” Morastoni urged everyone to embrace its use, avoid crowds and wear masks. Soon after, people began to line up outside the city’s 200,000 square foot events center to collect their allocation of the miracle immunity-boosting pills. Some had even taken a ferry from a neighboring municipality.
As of July 31, authorities in Itajaí had handed out more than 1.5 million ivermectin pills. The town’s attempts to battle Covid-19 have attracted both praise and criticism — the latter especially after Morastoni suggested that diagnosed coronavirus patients should undergo rectal ozone therapy.
1.5 million pills in a community of 200,000? Maybe they're 3mg pills?
Some residents told me that they felt like “a national joke” and a “lab experiment,” and complained about misallocation of resources. The town has spent roughly $800,000 on ivermectin, but its death toll and case numbers continue to rise. When the initiative launched in early July, the city had confirmed 2,138 coronavirus cases and 45 deaths. By August 23, these figures had jumped to 5,020 and 144, according to the local government’s own data.
No attempt to estimate what the August 23 numbers would be without ivermectin. @jjchamie says that new cases and deaths grew more slowly in Itajaí compared to the state in which the tow resides.
Brazil’s main champion of ivermectin, Lucy Kerr, an ultrasound expert who talks about the supposed danger of mammograms to women, claims to have cured at least 20 patients in two days after reading the Australian study’s findings. The mayor of Itajaí has called her a “pioneer in the fight for ivermectin.” She often points to personal observations and testimonies shared by colleagues on WhatsApp groups as proof of the drug’s benefits. Her videos endorsing the drug, one of which was recently taken down by YouTube for spreading misinformation, reach hundreds of thousands of people.
Youtube took down an ivermectin video?!
In June alone, 8.6 million packages of ivermectin, usually containing two or four pills, were sold nationwide. In response to the unprecedented demand, Anvisa, the Brazilian health regulator, prohibited the purchase of ivermectin without a prescription and underscored that there are no approved drugs for the prevention or treatment of Covid-19.
On Facebook groups such as Friends of Ivermectin, which has 6,000 members, users say that soaring prices and stock shortages have made the medication more difficult to get hold of. As a result, some people appear to be turning to veterinary versions. In line with a recent statement from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, governing bodies representing veterinarians and pharmacists in Brazil have cautioned against the use of drugs intended for animals.
Instead of science-based information, the tone of conversation around ivermectin is increasingly being set by anecdotal evidence. Across social media, enthusiasts attribute their own or a relative’s recovery to the supposed “lifesaving properties” of the drug, urging others to publicly share similar stories.
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