[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 6 points | Aug 19 2020 07:49:45

Yet another (yawn) CONCENTRATION TOO HIGH article. It has some links that might be interesting.

I post these for completeness, i.e. if someone wants to compile a list of CONCENTRATION TOO HIGH!!! articles, this sub may well be the most complete source.

Does anyone think these articles are a waste of time? Should I stop posting them?

[-] alishock | 2 points | Aug 19 2020 08:51:48

I say keep them. Thanks to your input on the matter every time one is posted and to your whole research all around this sub to back it up, it’s better to discuss these CTH articles so newcomers and veterans alike can connect the right dots.

Doing God’s work as always my friend. Thanks for your efforts!

[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 2 points | Aug 19 2020 09:01:51

OK! Thanks for the encouragement!

Anyone else have an opinion?

[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 2 points | Aug 19 2020 08:29:09

I posted these tweets about 20 times, in response to every tweet linking to this article on twitter this evening.

1

A more accurate title would be "Ivermectin is still not PROVEN to be a miracle cure for COVID-19..."

There is absolutely a lot more evidence that #ivermectin works, than evidence that it doesn't (none).

2

This is perhaps the 13th article with the same tired argument: CONCENTRATION TOO HIGH!!!.

ALL are based on the Monash in vitro study.

It's bad science, to give too much credence to in vitro studies. Despite that, these anti-#ivermectin articles keep getting cranked out.

[-] thaw4188 | 1 points | Aug 19 2020 11:36:14

it's a massive problem when any drug is being advertised or sought as a MIRACLE

ivermectin is not a miracle, it helps your immune system defeat covid when your immune system would have been overwhelmed otherwise

ivermectin is most certainly more effective than HCQ and actually does something in virtually all situations vs HCQ

ivermectin doesn't target covid directly but indirectly, it is "accidentally" effective but it is effective

let's say after tons of research they determine somehow ivermectin only improves things 5% or 10%

who on earth would turn down a treatment for $3 (or $30 in USA) with literally ZERO side-effects (unlike HCQ) but improves things 5-10% ?

it's dirt cheap, not some profit-making scam

it's a shame HCQ poisoned so many minds and turned everyone into a skeptic unless it's a $3000 drug from big-pharma

[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 4 points | Aug 19 2020 12:35:09

let's say after tons of research they determine somehow ivermectin only improves things 5% or 10% who on earth would turn down a treatment for $3 (or $30 in USA) with literally ZERO side-effects (unlike HCQ) but improves things 5-10% ?

Very nicely put!

it's a shame HCQ poisoned so many minds and turned everyone into a skeptic unless it's a $3000 drug from big-pharma

Since I started monitoring twitter, a couple months ago, ivermectin has been taken up by many HCQ fans, so there are a ton of tweets by people declaring that ivermectin and HCQ are a cure, so let's end the lockdown. Sometimes they say Trump discovered ivermectin. Very very few of the tweets cite anything that might be of interest to me, so they're just chaff that I have to scroll past. Ivermectin on twitter was more coherent and interesting before the HCQ crowd got interested. I don't mind the politics, just the pollution when I search for "ivermectin" on twitter.

[-] thaw4188 | 3 points | Aug 19 2020 12:42:15

they've moved on from HCQ, it seems the new trump-crowd thing is oleandrin, which actually will kill people, so that will be the end of that and newsmedia will not even mention things other than big-pharma

like I keep saying, doctors will become more open minded about ivermectin as soon as they run out of remdesivir in a month or two because the next surge is coming after all the schools reopen in September

[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 1 points | Aug 19 2020 12:58:25

doctors will become more open minded about ivermectin as soon as they run out of remdesivir

I wish you were right, but my guess is that less than 1% of US MDs have heard of ivermectin vs covid-19. The FDA just forbade the Ford Health System (Michigan) from using HCQ, period. MDs are not going to prescribe off-label ivermectin without strong empirical evidence. That would expose them to liability / lawsuits.

[-] Ill-Hand-404 | 1 points | Aug 19 2020 16:52:11

I am eagerly waiting on the results of the broward county florida study. If I were to take a guess, the cdc would have problems with study and refuse to publish it. trialsitenews has noticed the same problems. the cdc is actively suppressing and finding fault with and HCQ or ivermectin study. It is so obvious at this point, it gets me very upset. If I was a doctor, it would get me so upset that if I prescribed HCQ or ivermectin they could take my license away. don't get me started about faucci.

[-] DestituteDad | 1 points | Aug 20 2020 12:28:18

Is there another Broward County study expected? This one was published two months ago.

If I were to take a guess, the cdc would have problems with study and refuse to publish it.

Does the CDC publish papers?

I've seen reports that the ICON authors are having problems getting their paper published. It got fabulous results (52% lower fatalities with patients sick enough to require 02 supplementation) but it's more of a clinical report than scientific study. A major flaw how subjects were selected to receive ivermectin: it was up to individual doctors, so there's no way to know what bias that introduces. It's disappointing that it's not being published (so far, AFAIK) but it's not a conspiracy.

If I was a doctor, it would get me so upset that if I prescribed HCQ or ivermectin they could take my license away.

Is that true about ivermectin? I'm not sure that IVM has risen to a level of visibility warranting that sanction by the FDA. HCQ is actually dangerous -- to a very small segment of the population, I guess. I don't know very much about HCQ. Ivermectin is dangerous too, if you have a heavy infestation of the loa-loa parasite. Not that dangerous; mostly you'll feel really crappy but you'll live. Caveat: I don't know much about loa-loa either. I do know that fewer than 10 people have died from ivermectin. Shit: I have to add AFAIK. There's always the possibility of some ivermectin-related deaths that I haven't come across.

[-] Ill-Hand-404 | 1 points | Aug 20 2020 19:59:52

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=covid&term=ivermectin&cntry=&state=&city=&dist=

[-] Ill-Hand-404 | 1 points | Aug 20 2020 20:01:22

these are the studies I found, but no results given for the completed ones. I asked trialsitenews for results, they said they had them on their website. I can't find. they sure don't make getting info easy on invermectin.

[-] DestituteDad | 1 points | Aug 21 2020 01:43:23

The results of 2 of the 3 completed trials are on this sub. I'll post links later. The 3rd has not published its results and the researcher did not respond to my email.