DZinni | 5 points
How Ivermectin works (Drbeen Medical Lecture, Jul 2020)[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 2 points
My rough notes:
Contraindicated for people with a compromised blood brain barrier; it will interfere with GABA. Similarly, pregnant women shouldn't use it because the fetus as a poor blood brain barrier.
When ivermectin enters the cell, it becomes hyper-polarized. That makes the cell hard to be active. Action potential generation is inhibited. This applies to bugs, not people.
Looking at doses: 150 - 200mcg / kg one a year, for parasites.
Monash: ivermectin attaches to the IMP alpha/beta1 transport and prevents entry to the nucleus. Ivermectin thus blocks the virus from replicating and disabling the cell's anti-virus activity.
Ivermectin wasn't useful against the Dengue virus.
Monash says ivermectin will reduce the virus load, so the body's immune system can function and clear the virus. The cell can protect itself better because the virus is not admitted to the nucleus, where it would otherwise disable the cell's defenses.
"No toxicity was oberved with ivermectin at any of the concentrations tested."
A doctor at Baylor says we need to figure out the right dose, to use against this virus.
I seriously doubt that there's an issue with ivermectin and pregnant women.
It has been used in Mass Drug Administrations to fight parasites for over two decades. In 2019, it was given to 540 million people. Even if pregnant women are told not to take the drug, during an MDA -- at least a 9th, probably more, do not know they are pregnant at the time. This says that about 4.4% of American women were pregnant in 2006. Let's go with 5%, because this is Africa, etc., mostly not developed nations where the birth rate is higher. If we say women don't know they are pregnant for 1 month (the minimum):
5% * 540,000,000 / (12 months * 2) = 1,125,000
(divide by 2 because only half are women)
So every year, at least 1 million women take ivermectin in an MDA while pregnant. This has gone on for more than 2 decades. The MDAs didn't start out at 540 million per year. Let's say the average MDA was half that. It adds up to about 10 million pregnant women taking ivermectin. It could easily be 15 million, given my low-side assumptions.
I'm pretty sure that if a significant portion of 10 (or 15) million babies were having birth defects, someone would have noticed and put it together with the administrations of ivermectin.
[-] stereomatch | 2 points
It has been used in Mass Drug Administrations to fight parasites for over two decades. In 2019, it was given to 540 million people. Even if pregnant women are told not to take the drug, during an MDA -- at least a 9th, probably more, do not know they are pregnant at the time. This says that about 4.4% of American women were pregnant in 2006. Let's go with 5%, because this is Africa, etc., mostly not developed nations where the birth rate is higher. If we say women don't know they are pregnant for 1 month (the minimum):
Just a minor correction - halve the 540M to get approximate figure for women who took it.
[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 2 points
halve the 540M to get approximate figure for women who took it.
LOL Good point, I'm an idiot! :)
Interesting comment from YouTube
Knight Defender 3 days ago
Prior to 2010, scientists believed that the blood-brain barrier did not develop until after birth, based on the belief that astrocytes did not develop until after birth. Researchers at Stanford University and the University of California, San Francisco, discovered in 2010 that pericytes, not astrocytes, are required for blood-brain barrier development and that pericytes are present in the fetal brain. The research proves that your infant’s blood-brain barrier is fully developed well before birth.
[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 1 points
The research proves that your infant’s blood-brain barrier is fully developed well before birth.
TIL! Thanks! This is the kind of "fact" that can persist until a couple generations of MDs go off to their rewards.
Pericytes are required for blood–brain barrier integrity during embryogenesis (2010)
[-] DZinni | 2 points | Jul 07 2020 01:15:30
This video does a very good job of explaining how Ivermectin works in the cells to combat the coronavirus. He also gives a good overview of Ivermectin itself. The information Drbeen presents is 4 months old. He does not go into any of the more recent Ivermectin trials or the anecdotal information regarding the medicine (I don't think he knows about it).
Although it is nearly the same information MedCram did a video on April 8th, I do think Drbeen did a much better job presenting it.
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[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 2 points | Jul 07 2020 02:30:11
I didn't know that covid enters the nucleus so it can disable the cell's defense mechanism; I thought it replicated in the nucleus. Need to watch MedCram again.
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[-] DZinni | 2 points | Jul 07 2020 03:11:55
Medcram goes over it at 5:22. It's quick, and I missed it until now when I'm actively looking for it.
Ivermectin shuts down this ability to transport in proteins, viral proteins in this case, into the nucleus; which diminishes the ability of the virus to cause harm to the cell.
The virus disabling of the defense mechanisms is my most important takeaway from the video.
I believe the virus replicates in the cytoplasm and not the nucleus. I'm unsure if the virus can replicate if the nucleus is still functional. (It would at least have to be at a slower pace.) I know very little about intracell immunity.
edit: He also goes over it at 4:09 Well the problem is is that the virus when it comes in, it also has its version of RNA, and of course the ribosomes can't tell the difference. So they start to translate the messenger RNA from the virus into viral proteins. These proteins can have problems they can have unintended consequences. These proteins can come in and go through these proteins, that allow the viral proteins to go into the nucleus, where they can cause problems. That could lead to decreased immunity especially against this virus. Some scientists believe that this is actually what's going on with the corona virus
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[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 2 points | Jul 07 2020 03:41:45
Thanks so much for distilling the video!
Sounds like they're still unclear on how the virus works. That's episode 52? I guess it's been quite a while since then. Wonder if there are newer / more certain analyses of the drug's actions.
DON'T go looking on my behalf! :)
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[-] stereomatch | 1 points | Jul 07 2020 08:12:44
Medcram goes over it at 5:22. It's quick, and I missed it until now when I'm actively looking for it.
Yes, medcram covered it - thanks for the detailed response.
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