HRSAJ anesthetist defends the use of study medication in the prevention of Covid and warns: “leaving people at home is a catastrophe” (Brazil, 2020-07-01)
[A] group of doctors who spoke for two and a half hours in a live, “they said that Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are capable of stopping the malignancy of the virus, it is able to greatly reduce viral load and the person does not get sick.
That would be an interesting video, if it's captured somewhere (and has English subtitles!).
The article:
Anesthetist Dr. Eliomar Andrade da Silva defended the use of a medication still under study, Ivermectin against the prevention of the new coronavirus at Live do Voz da Bahia in the program Half-Day and Half this Tuesday (30). According to the anesthetist, the controversial medication still under study is not new, but for him, not everyone has the necessary knowledge.
#IVERMECTIN :
Although unknown to many people, Ivermectin is a dewormer responsible for one of the largest health interventions in African and Latin American countries in the last 40 years. It is a medication that is part of the group of antiparasitic agents with action on various worms and parasites, in addition to combating mites. This drug can only be sold under medical prescription and due to the wide use of this drug for more than 60 years, it is considered very safe. However, it is important to use it rationally, appropriately, in the right dose and for an adequate time.
A number of Brazilians have posted that you can buy ivermectin over-the-counter in Brazil. This guy would know, though. Has the drug's OTC status changed?
#ANESTHESIST DR. ELIOMAR:
Eliomar starts his speech by saying he is against isolation. According to him, there should be no quarantine for healthy people, “the quarantine is for sick people or at most people who were at risk of becoming infected and seriously ill, so from the beginning even before Europe and certain countries they all leave for street wearing a mask and gloves to remind you that, you should not touch your hand on your face, because the virus does not enter through the skin, it enters through the nasal mucous membranes in the eye or mouth, so what is to advocate, from the beginning it is all on the street, everyone working in masks and gloves ”, he explains.
The anesthetist reinforces that the use of the mask prevents the proliferation of the virus, because when the person sneezes, coughs or speaks the mask protects the person.
Eliomar also states that the coronavirus is not lethal like Ebola, “if it were lethal, I would particularly stay in the bush so as not to contaminate myself, but we know that the huge percentage of people, they do not even have the disease. I'm not going to say a little flu to not think that I am a Bolsonarist, but Dr. Drauzio Varella had this initial conversation and that Bolsonaro simply copied it, but it's true, the truth is that the huge percentage of people, maybe 80%, so why can't I say that a small fraction of the population has a cold and the other even smaller fraction gets seriously ill to the point of needing an ICU? So it has been known since the beginning that the virus is not violent and is not lethal to most. I am not talking lethal to those who have low immunity, ”he explains.
Still on social isolation, Eliomar Andrade says that leaving the large mass of productive people at home is a catastrophe, “if the productive mass were working we would not have this second one, which is unemployment, people in Brazil already have difficulty in finding a job, our poor already have difficulties, they live with great difficulty, most people earn less than a minimum wage. The world is divided into two types of people: employee and employer there is no third type, only the employee and the employer. Those people who have the skill and money to start a company, who have the skill and the money will be employed and who have neither the skill nor the money will be employed as well, so we need to keep employers and employees, but they are arresting everyone and we will not have taxes,
Regarding testing, Dr. Eliomar states that if there was the knowledge that is being presented today, there would be no need to carry out such tests, “prevention is cheap and easy, prophylaxis is that you don't get sick. These substances we are going to comment on already existed before the pandemic and if it were well placed, if Brazil were not divided as it is divided and they were all for each other, specialists would have sat down, passing on the knowledge about the medications and from the beginning, everyone was working, ”he says.
The anesthetist points out that he is not a researcher, just a scholar who accompanies a group of doctors who spoke for two and a half hours in a live, “they said that Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are capable of stopping the malignancy of the virus, it is able to greatly reduce viral load and the person does not get sick. Ivermectin has no side effect, and when I say side effect, it is the use of it in the therapeutic dose, the drug has a toxic effect if you take five, six or ten times more than the therapeutic dose, then you will have a toxic effect , but for those who use the therapeutic dose it has no side effect ”, he says.
Doctors think ivermectin works!
I assume that the therapeutic dose is defined as 200mgc/kg -- the usual dose everywhere, apparently because the FDA approved that dose for scabies.
It's been shown that 10 times that dose is safe.
Still on Ivermectin, the anesthetist clarifies that it is the Ivomec drug, “veterinarians prescribe 07 mg per kilogram of live weight and the animal can only be slaughtered 6 months later, and during this period, the medication is effective in the the animal's body and also our body because Ivermectin has trophism (maintaining healthy muscles) by fat; the fat absorbs and stays attached to it, it leads visceral fat ”, he explains.
Another statement that ivermectin accumulates in fat. TIL for me, today. That's two statements of this fact -- the other applying to bugs.
#CAN NOT BE USED:
On counter-recommendation, Dr Eliomar clarifies that the drug should not be used by pregnant women or those who are breastfeeding, in addition, children under five years or under 15 pounds are also not recommended to use the medicine , “And it should not be used in people who are affected by this barrier, and we only know meningitis with inflamed cells, because it will give Ivermectin to the brain and the person will have seizures, delusions or things that affect the central nervous system ”, he explained.
The meningitis concern may be valid, I don't know. The others are nonsense: a study safely dosed infants and children under 15kg, and literally millions of pregnant women have taken the drug in Mass Drug Adminstrations against parasites without reports of birth defects -- 100s of millions or more, over the 20+ years of MDAs.
Andrade explains that Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine are being used, according to him, by doctors, politicians and authorities, “all the people who have good information are using these substances, except that they are not using Ivermectin are the poor. So I tell you the following: health is a right of the people and a duty of the state, the free will we have and the right to come must also be respected in Brazil and in the world. Arrest people inside the house? They are contaminating themselves in the same way. The authorities should take care of people's health; those who have money have already been using Ivermectin and the other doses and they are not getting sick, it is rare for you to hear that a person well positioned in society both culturally and economically died, we do not see this, so I propose that they all come back working, open the city and may governors and mayors who have usurped our right to come and go, liberate us. I don't want to get into controversy or say anything from the right or the left, but I want to say that these people have betrayed our people, they are shaming our people, they are all trapped inside the house, we are going to release all people, take people to to work, these governors and mayors I consider as traitors to the people, they need to let the people work and I tell you the poor people of this country, you need at home to pray for the authorities to have the wisdom to truly care for the population ”, he concludes.
Not following the logic: wealthy people are using ivermectin, so open the economy?
#THE CONTRADITORY:
As it is a remedy widely used in cases of worms, the gastroenterologist and endoscopist Roseane Bicalho Assis is familiar with ivermectin and Jornal Gazeta points out the risks of the population following such guidance. In short, she said that using it prophylactically does not make sense.
According to the label of an ivermectin brand, the substance can cause malaise, diarrhea, headache and lack of disposition - symptoms reported by Covid-19 patients in Espírito Santo. "It is a drug considered safe, but it can lead to liver (liver) and kidney changes", warned the doctor.
[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 1 points | Jul 02 2020 00:22:44
The most interesting paragraph:
[A] group of doctors who spoke for two and a half hours in a live, “they said that Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are capable of stopping the malignancy of the virus, it is able to greatly reduce viral load and the person does not get sick.
That would be an interesting video, if it's captured somewhere (and has English subtitles!).
The article:
Anesthetist Dr. Eliomar Andrade da Silva defended the use of a medication still under study, Ivermectin against the prevention of the new coronavirus at Live do Voz da Bahia in the program Half-Day and Half this Tuesday (30). According to the anesthetist, the controversial medication still under study is not new, but for him, not everyone has the necessary knowledge.
#IVERMECTIN :
Although unknown to many people, Ivermectin is a dewormer responsible for one of the largest health interventions in African and Latin American countries in the last 40 years. It is a medication that is part of the group of antiparasitic agents with action on various worms and parasites, in addition to combating mites. This drug can only be sold under medical prescription and due to the wide use of this drug for more than 60 years, it is considered very safe. However, it is important to use it rationally, appropriately, in the right dose and for an adequate time.
A number of Brazilians have posted that you can buy ivermectin over-the-counter in Brazil. This guy would know, though. Has the drug's OTC status changed?
#ANESTHESIST DR. ELIOMAR:
Eliomar starts his speech by saying he is against isolation. According to him, there should be no quarantine for healthy people, “the quarantine is for sick people or at most people who were at risk of becoming infected and seriously ill, so from the beginning even before Europe and certain countries they all leave for street wearing a mask and gloves to remind you that, you should not touch your hand on your face, because the virus does not enter through the skin, it enters through the nasal mucous membranes in the eye or mouth, so what is to advocate, from the beginning it is all on the street, everyone working in masks and gloves ”, he explains.
The anesthetist reinforces that the use of the mask prevents the proliferation of the virus, because when the person sneezes, coughs or speaks the mask protects the person.
Eliomar also states that the coronavirus is not lethal like Ebola, “if it were lethal, I would particularly stay in the bush so as not to contaminate myself, but we know that the huge percentage of people, they do not even have the disease. I'm not going to say a little flu to not think that I am a Bolsonarist, but Dr. Drauzio Varella had this initial conversation and that Bolsonaro simply copied it, but it's true, the truth is that the huge percentage of people, maybe 80%, so why can't I say that a small fraction of the population has a cold and the other even smaller fraction gets seriously ill to the point of needing an ICU? So it has been known since the beginning that the virus is not violent and is not lethal to most. I am not talking lethal to those who have low immunity, ”he explains.
Still on social isolation, Eliomar Andrade says that leaving the large mass of productive people at home is a catastrophe, “if the productive mass were working we would not have this second one, which is unemployment, people in Brazil already have difficulty in finding a job, our poor already have difficulties, they live with great difficulty, most people earn less than a minimum wage. The world is divided into two types of people: employee and employer there is no third type, only the employee and the employer. Those people who have the skill and money to start a company, who have the skill and the money will be employed and who have neither the skill nor the money will be employed as well, so we need to keep employers and employees, but they are arresting everyone and we will not have taxes,
Regarding testing, Dr. Eliomar states that if there was the knowledge that is being presented today, there would be no need to carry out such tests, “prevention is cheap and easy, prophylaxis is that you don't get sick. These substances we are going to comment on already existed before the pandemic and if it were well placed, if Brazil were not divided as it is divided and they were all for each other, specialists would have sat down, passing on the knowledge about the medications and from the beginning, everyone was working, ”he says.
The anesthetist points out that he is not a researcher, just a scholar who accompanies a group of doctors who spoke for two and a half hours in a live, “they said that Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are capable of stopping the malignancy of the virus, it is able to greatly reduce viral load and the person does not get sick. Ivermectin has no side effect, and when I say side effect, it is the use of it in the therapeutic dose, the drug has a toxic effect if you take five, six or ten times more than the therapeutic dose, then you will have a toxic effect , but for those who use the therapeutic dose it has no side effect ”, he says.
Doctors think ivermectin works!
I assume that the therapeutic dose is defined as 200mgc/kg -- the usual dose everywhere, apparently because the FDA approved that dose for scabies.
It's been shown that 10 times that dose is safe.
Still on Ivermectin, the anesthetist clarifies that it is the Ivomec drug, “veterinarians prescribe 07 mg per kilogram of live weight and the animal can only be slaughtered 6 months later, and during this period, the medication is effective in the the animal's body and also our body because Ivermectin has trophism (maintaining healthy muscles) by fat; the fat absorbs and stays attached to it, it leads visceral fat ”, he explains.
Another statement that ivermectin accumulates in fat. TIL for me, today. That's two statements of this fact -- the other applying to bugs.
#CAN NOT BE USED:
On counter-recommendation, Dr Eliomar clarifies that the drug should not be used by pregnant women or those who are breastfeeding, in addition, children under five years or under 15 pounds are also not recommended to use the medicine , “And it should not be used in people who are affected by this barrier, and we only know meningitis with inflamed cells, because it will give Ivermectin to the brain and the person will have seizures, delusions or things that affect the central nervous system ”, he explained.
The meningitis concern may be valid, I don't know. The others are nonsense: a study safely dosed infants and children under 15kg, and literally millions of pregnant women have taken the drug in Mass Drug Adminstrations against parasites without reports of birth defects -- 100s of millions or more, over the 20+ years of MDAs.
Edit: Meningitis is not mentioned in WebMD's list of ivermectin contraindations. This case study of recurring meningitis recommends ivermectin over another drug.
#“THE POOR DO NOT USE IT”:
Andrade explains that Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine are being used, according to him, by doctors, politicians and authorities, “all the people who have good information are using these substances, except that they are not using Ivermectin are the poor. So I tell you the following: health is a right of the people and a duty of the state, the free will we have and the right to come must also be respected in Brazil and in the world. Arrest people inside the house? They are contaminating themselves in the same way. The authorities should take care of people's health; those who have money have already been using Ivermectin and the other doses and they are not getting sick, it is rare for you to hear that a person well positioned in society both culturally and economically died, we do not see this, so I propose that they all come back working, open the city and may governors and mayors who have usurped our right to come and go, liberate us. I don't want to get into controversy or say anything from the right or the left, but I want to say that these people have betrayed our people, they are shaming our people, they are all trapped inside the house, we are going to release all people, take people to to work, these governors and mayors I consider as traitors to the people, they need to let the people work and I tell you the poor people of this country, you need at home to pray for the authorities to have the wisdom to truly care for the population ”, he concludes.
Not following the logic: wealthy people are using ivermectin, so open the economy?
#THE CONTRADITORY:
As it is a remedy widely used in cases of worms, the gastroenterologist and endoscopist Roseane Bicalho Assis is familiar with ivermectin and Jornal Gazeta points out the risks of the population following such guidance. In short, she said that using it prophylactically does not make sense.
According to the label of an ivermectin brand, the substance can cause malaise, diarrhea, headache and lack of disposition - symptoms reported by Covid-19 patients in Espírito Santo. "It is a drug considered safe, but it can lead to liver (liver) and kidney changes", warned the doctor.
Those sound like covid19 symptoms.
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