France Claims Ivermectin Dose Effective For Corona, Jodhpur Rejected (India, 2020-05-29)

[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 2 points | May 30 2020 18:23:03

This is the first negative result for ivermectin that I've seen. It isn't that negative: apparently HCQ worked better. The article says ivermectin patients were at risk of side-effects. I'm surprised that ivermectin has side-effects; this comment makes me think the researchers were anti-ivermectin. I'm not taking care of patients, though, so I'll accept their observation at face value. This is a brief article with only 3 sentences about their results. Hopefully the published article will go into greater detail about the ivermectin result.

It looks like they did a good trial. If I understand it correctly, out of 80 patients, 40 had more severe covid19 disease. Half of those were treated with HCQ, the other half with ivermectin. The result here must be a bad translation from the Hindi:

In this case, the recovery rate was higher than hydrochloroquine. While the essence came out that there is no benefit from giving ivermactin medicine.

The second sentence contradicts the first, and the second sentence fits the headline. Maybe "than" in the first sentence should be "with"?

Keep an eye out for the published paper!

France said in research that the ivermectin drug was effective in Corona, the claim failed in Jodhpur

#Abhishek Bissa / Jodhpur. The claim of French physicians that the ivermectin drug is effective in corona disease has proved to be a failure by the doctors and patients of the Department of Medicine of Jodhpur Dr. SN Medical College. This drug was used on the corona patients in Jodhpur, but the drug did not make any special difference to the patients. On the other hand, doctors of Jodhpur have considered hydrochloroquine medicine useful for corona virus in Jodhpur.

Research paper has been prepared for this. Which is going to be published soon. Invertebrate, a drug used in children's stomachs, was shown to be extremely useful for corona in research conducted in France. While this drug did not have any special effect on a single patient in Jodhpur.

#Study done on 80 corona patients 80 corona-infected patients were selected for this research. Out of this, only 40 patients were given hydrochloroquine only. Subsequently, in the remaining 40 patients, 20 were given ivermactin and 20 was given hydrochloroquine. These were the patients with more corona infection. In this case, the recovery rate was higher than hydrochloroquine. While the essence came out that there is no benefit from giving ivermactin medicine. In contrast, patients were also at risk of having other side effects.

#These were involved in study research With the permission of Dr. SN Medical College Principal Dr. GL Meena, Principal Investigator Senior Professor Dr. Naveen Kishoria, HOD of Medicine Dr. Shyamlal Mathur, Assistant Acharya Dr. Harish Agarwal, Assistant Acharya Dr. Veeram Parmar and Resident Dr. Somil . This research study will be sent for publication in National and International General. Explain that a few days ago in the British Medical General, Chinese doctors had termed HCQ medicine in research. While in Jodhpur this drug is proving effective.

[-] pezo1919 | 2 points | May 30 2020 21:11:24

I am wondering what the WHO "thinks" about that part: "the recovery rate was higher than hydrochloroquine"

[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 2 points | May 30 2020 21:20:48

"the recovery rate was higher than hydrochloroquine"

I think that the "than" should be "with", to be consistent with the headline and rest of the article, i.e. HCQ did better than ivermectin.

[-] pezo1919 | 2 points | May 30 2020 21:24:08

Ah okay, however my point was that WHO just eliminated trials because they say HCQ is not useful / the outcomes might just worse using it. So in each case (with or than) from the WHO standpoint it's not a big deal.

( I am totally against WHO these days, just came to my mind. )

[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 2 points | May 30 2020 21:47:22

Yeah, I'm aware of the controversy.

I look forward to your next post in the sub, which will be about ivermectin and possibly HCQ! :)

I am totally against WHO these days

I admire the WHO because it has been instrumental in fighting river blindness and filariasis -- with ivermectin. IIRC, in 2019 they distributed a billion doses to 540 million people. I'm actually vague on what WHO's role in that is. It's a very good thing, though.

[-] nilaul | 2 points | May 30 2020 21:27:50

Hydrochloroquine was causing deaths though, so that's not actually telling. It's like saying that giving sugar tablets had a higher recovery rate then hydrochlorquine.

Jodhpur sounds fishy.

[-] pezo1919 | 2 points | May 30 2020 22:10:08

It said to be causing deaths - but most say it is useful in early stages when viral load is not high.

[-] nilaul | 1 points | May 31 2020 01:01:08

But isn't the viral load highest in early stages? Viral loads decrease after your symptoms start from what I gathered.

They pretty much stopped using HCQ in my country completely due to the risks associated with it, and the lack of results.

[-] pezo1919 | 1 points | May 31 2020 13:02:09

First viral load is low. Then for a week its getting higher, its the average time your body finds a way to create the antibodies. These antibodies reduce viral load, sometimes totally, but the damage in the body or the cytokine storm might be still there.

[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 1 points | May 30 2020 23:18:03

Pretty sure this report says HCQ worked -- and worked better than ivermectin.