TrumpLyftAlles | 8 points
My probably-not-persuasive evidence of a conspiracy against ivermectin.This is part of what might be a coordinated attack on ivermectin by those with a vested interest in other drugs. I raise my suspicion in the CONSPIRACY part of this post. The key observation is the two people who wrote the letters to Lancet raising the "Dose is too high!" argument against the Monash 48 hours study have been publishing research for 50 years and 60 years, about 400 publications between the two of them -- and this was the first letter that either had ever published. I find that suggestive of a coordinated attack: someone asked them to do something they had never done before.
When I wrote that, I didn't know that the three authors of The Approved Dose of Ivermectin Alone is not the Ideal Dose for the Treatment of COVID-19 (the study your article refers to) all work for Nuventra, which appears to be in the business of helping pharmaceutical companies with drug evaluation and regulatory approval. It's really easy to imagine Nuventra has customers who want to suppress ivermectin research. Nuventra even kind of brags about it on their site:
This quote seems more reasonable than the Not Ideal Dose study's language, though I may be misrembering that paper:
“Every time there is a re-purposed drug showing in vitro data against SARS-COV-2, I am always curious as to how the IC50 compares with the expected lung concentrations,” says Dr. Schmith. “Ivermectin is more interesting than most because it has a wide safety margin and has the potential for conducting a placebo-controlled dose-response study looking at therapeutic doses (in case in vitro concentrations are not relevant) and higher doses (where less safety data is available) in a well-controlled environment.”
Trials are underway! About 15 are registered, and there are a handful of others.
[-] ismellcapitalism | 2 points
I have to say that I have suspected the exact same thing--that there is a conspiracy to suppress the effectiveness of ivermectin. Doctors are prescribing it off-label all over the world, including US, and people are mostly (as far as we know) getting better within DAYS. I am NOT a conspiracy theorist. I am an academic. But this looks like active drug company supression--killing people to make money. I do the same as you--keep scanning for information on ivermectin and it is nowhere. Why?
[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 1 points
I do the same as you--keep scanning for information on ivermectin and it is nowhere. Why?
AFAIK, it's because not much is happening! Waiting on those trials to finish.
I'm in the US and my doc won't give me a prescription. Grrrrrr.
[-] foggynotion | 2 points
Thanks for making this sub! Ive been thinking the same thing... seems so strange it never gets mentioned when its been doing so well in early studies, and there's no doubt it's a safe drug.. After the Australia study I told my doctor last month I was exposed to scabies and allergic to the cream, got an ivermectin prescription 30 min later. Saving it in case I get sick, but are people are taking it as I prophylactic? I'm not waiting for some "study" to come out and all of a sudden doctors stop prescribing it. In a month its going to be non-stop "do not take ivermectin it will kill u". Ive mentioned it in a few corona subs and I get downvoted into oblivion
[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 1 points
I told my doctor last month I was exposed to scabies and allergic to the cream, got an ivermectin prescription 30 min later.
Nice move! :)
are people are taking it as I prophylactic?
I haven't seen that. I think doing so may make sense. IMO there's very little downside: ivermectin is ridiculously safe. Other the other hand, I am NOT A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL so ignore me and do what the FDA says: only take ivermectin at the direction of your doctor.
Yikes! That got loud!
[-] JSanchezDorta | 1 points
Actually, this is a pretty persuasive argument. Thanks for your research. I have been fighting a battle against an unseen enemy literally since the end of March/Early April. Actual studies are payed by actual pharmaceutical companies and their allies. The first argument against it is that the drug is for parasites. When I mentioned Ivermectin to my college roommate back in late March, a fellow who went to Harvard Medical School and is a top liver transplant surgeon, he made the same point, saying, "You know Jay, SARS-CoV-2 is not a parasite." So, my response was, "I know! It's a little itty bitty bacteria". I am just a lawyer. But I had bought some of this on March 25th, to kill parasites and reboot my immune system. And then I got to studying it. I got the cattle version, since I knew its effects on my cows, as I used to have a dairy farm in Bolivia and had heard people there actually take it without a problem. Since I was a little scared, though, I really got to studying it and discovered there were studies indicating back then that Ivermectin had an effect on flavivirus (inhibiting its replication), and I saw that that was similar to something called a picornavirus, and that was related to a coronavirus, and they were all RNA viruses. Also, I figured this wasn't hitting hard in Africa, where they give this to 300 Million people for free every year. So, when my best friend from college mocked me, I sent an email to 17 virologists at a lab in Milan on March 31. Never heard from them (they were on quarantine), but on April 3rd a study came out from an Australian scientist (who I later found out was connected to the Lab in Milan) saying that Ivermectin killed COVID-19 in vitro in 2 days. So, you do the math. I think my evil plan worked. And, now, that Ivermectin is helping save literally thousands of lives throughout South America. Oh, yeah, and I also send an email on April 2nd, before the study in Australia. came out to 80 former classmates at Harvard and got attacked via email (sent to another friend in common) by a classmate. I thought that was strange but later discovered her husband owns a lab looking for a cure/vaccine to COVID-19. Last year he sold his cancer company for $200 Million.
So, I believe that there is a lot of money behind this, muddying the waters, and in my view the so called actual studies are not actual, studies. They are actual, paid propaganda. I have been fighting these guys so hard, via YouTube, Facebook (my YouTube posts get taken down, or are not permitted to be shared, or the volume is missing, and my Facebook page got taken down). Keep on spreading the news, because this is helping thousands in South America but not helping us here (I was able to recommend it to several friends in early April, some of whom recommended to their families in Ecuador who were sick, and they were all quickly healed). In Bolivia the way the news got out was that, even though the government there prohibited it, a bunch of doctors gave it to 28 patients in yogurt, and after they all got up out of their beds, it was hard to deny.
[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 1 points
Another article that goes out of it's way to disparage ivermectin -- weakly -- was published by TrialNewsSIte on 2020-05-25. From the comment at the bottom:
If someone hired me to write a hit-piece about ivermectin it would read a lot like this. You insinuate negative opinions that aren’t there. You uncritically cite the comments of an ivermectin amateur. It is not impressive journalism, in my opinion.
[-] JSanchezDorta | 5 points | May 24 2020 02:36:35
Actually, this is a pretty persuasive argument. Thanks for your research. I have been fighting a battle against an unseen enemy literally since the end of March/Early April. Actual studies are payed by actual pharmaceutical companies and their allies. The first argument against it is that the drug is for parasites. When I mentioned Ivermectin to my college roommate back in late March, a fellow who went to Harvard Medical School and is a top liver transplant surgeon, he made the same point, saying, "You know Jay, SARS-CoV-2 is not a parasite." So, my response was, "I know! It's a little itty bitty bacteria". I am just a lawyer. But I had bought some of this on March 25th, to kill parasites and reboot my immune system. And then I got to studying it. I got the cattle version, since I knew its effects on my cows, as I used to have a dairy farm in Bolivia and had heard people there actually take it without a problem. Since I was a little scared, though, I really got to studying it and discovered there were studies indicating back then that Ivermectin had an effect on flavivirus (inhibiting its replication), and I saw that that was similar to something called a picornavirus, and that was related to a coronavirus, and they were all RNA viruses. Also, I figured this wasn't hitting hard in Africa, where they give this to 300 Million people for free every year. So, when my best friend from college mocked me, I sent an email to 17 virologists at a lab in Milan on March 31. Never heard from them (they were on quarantine), but on April 3rd a study came out from an Australian scientist (who I later found out was connected to the Lab in Milan) saying that Ivermectin killed COVID-19 in vitro in 2 days. So, you do the math. I think my evil plan worked. And, now, that Ivermectin is helping save literally thousands of lives throughout South America. Oh, yeah, and I also send an email on April 2nd, before the study in Australia. came out to 80 former classmates at Harvard and got attacked via email (sent to another friend in common) by a classmate. I thought that was strange but later discovered her husband owns a lab looking for a cure/vaccine to COVID-19. Last year he sold his cancer company for $200 Million.
So, I believe that there is a lot of money behind this, muddying the waters, and in my view the so called actual studies are not actual, studies. They are actual, paid propaganda. I have been fighting these guys so hard, via YouTube, Facebook (my YouTube posts get taken down, or are not permitted to be shared, or the volume is missing, and my Facebook page got taken down). Keep on spreading the news, because this is helping thousands in South America but not helping us here (I was able to recommend it to several friends in early April, some of whom recommended to their families in Ecuador who were sick, and they were all quickly healed). In Bolivia the way the news got out was that, even though the government there prohibited it, a bunch of doctors gave it to 28 patients in yogurt, and after they all got up out of their beds, it was hard to deny.
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[-] TrumpLyftAlles | 1 points | May 24 2020 06:17:17
That is a fascinating story, thanks for sharing it!
I'd say the best evidence of some sort of conspiracy is your stuff being taken down! That's so weird?!
Good for you for helping your friends. I'm sure they're deeply grateful.
Uh, you posted the same thing twice. No big deal, the server has room (joke), but would you mind deleting the other one? Thanks in advance.
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